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Post by Mysterion on Mar 25, 2013 17:33:10 GMT -6
What would you recommend as a wash to bring out the detail on some pieces painted with Alclad?
Thanks
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Post by Starry Eyes on Mar 25, 2013 19:15:34 GMT -6
What would you recommend as a wash to bring out the detail on some pieces painted with Alclad? Thanks Nothing
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Post by rocketeer on Mar 29, 2013 15:30:12 GMT -6
Tamiya transparent smoke is pretty good for highlighting chrome parts, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work on AlClad parts, too. You might want to thin it a bit--use Tamiya's thinner.
It dries glossy, which is fine when you're using it on chrome parts. But don't use it on something which you plan to dullcoat later. For some odd reason, Dullcoat doesn't work very well over Smoke; there's always a bit of shine.
So I mixed up a little bottle of smoke plus Tamiya's flat base plus a little thinner which dries matte; I use the mix for parts which will eventually be Dullcoated.
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Post by showrods on Sept 24, 2015 17:29:13 GMT -6
Rocketeer - Would the thinner possibly weaken the chrome?
What would happen if you used distilled water to thin the Tamiya smoke instead of Tamiya thinner?
If you wanted a flat finish on a chrome piece such as a grill would Tamiya flat black work?
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Post by magnum4342 on Sept 24, 2015 17:55:33 GMT -6
Seal the Alclad with Alclad clear, then wash with anything not lacquer based.
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Post by showrods on Sept 24, 2015 18:07:43 GMT -6
Thanks - would the Tamiya flat black and distilled water work as well? The chrome that I'm working on is excellent so there's no need to Alclad it...
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Post by magnum4342 on Sept 24, 2015 18:18:36 GMT -6
Now you're getting confusing. You asked "best wash over Alclad"? Anything you put over Alclad chrome without first sealing it in clear will change the patina. A standard clear will turn it to a metallic silver. If you coat it with flat black and water you'll run the risk of ruining the chrome look. The only thing you can do at this point is try it, and if you don't like the way it comes out, strip and start over.
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Post by showrods on Sept 24, 2015 19:02:12 GMT -6
Sorry about that - I guess that I'm asking a 2 pronged question - you've answered my question about Alclad coated parts. The followup question relates to a piece of chrome that's good enough to use from the box (it's a vintage Rommel's Rod grill hence the want to keep the grill part flat) and whether I can get the desired effect by using Tamiya flat black and distilled water rather than Tamiya thinner so as not to thin out or blister the chrome.
Thanks.
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Post by magnum4342 on Sept 24, 2015 19:33:07 GMT -6
Now that makes more sense. I would use Testors, thinned with enamel thinner. I've never used the Tamiya wash and would suggest only using water (distilled or otherwise) if it's a water based paint to begin with. The enamel (Testors) and thinner is less "hot" than lacquer thinners. Either way you should be safe as the older versions of the kit had a pretty thick and tough plate to them, unlike the thinner plating used in most current kits.
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Post by showrods on Sept 25, 2015 7:21:45 GMT -6
Thanks! Very helpful.
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Post by iceman555 on Sept 25, 2015 13:22:27 GMT -6
Chrome right out of the box looks well with a tamiya smoke wash.
I don't recommend washing over Alclad. If you don't want the shiny chrome look, use aluminum or steel or something darker that gives you the tint you want. They have plenty of options. Aluminum alone has like 3 different shades. Just sounds like extra work you don't really need if you're looking to achieve a more realistic look.
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Post by showrods on Sept 25, 2015 14:33:01 GMT -6
Tamiya smoke is a "gloss" paint according to the Tamiya colour chart (X-19 I think). If you're looking to have a "flat" effect in the grill grates would the Tamiya smoke wash be too glossy?
As well, it looks quite grey on the Tamiya colour chart. Is it that colour in reality?
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Post by iceman555 on Sept 26, 2015 12:27:51 GMT -6
Is it is gloss, yes. But washes are meant to bring out the details in parts and not to give it a flat look. Here are some parts, where I used tamiya smoke but I wasn't going for a flat look because it's chrome. Before and after. If you want flat look, obviously flat paint is what you need. If you're going to bring out details then thinned downed flat black is probably the best. Maybe I'm not clear on what you're trying to do. What are the parts you're working with?
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Post by showrods on Sept 26, 2015 20:58:50 GMT -6
It's the grill/radiator to a vintage Rommel's Rod...
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Post by iceman555 on Sept 27, 2015 14:31:44 GMT -6
You're spraying both with Alclad?
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Post by showrods on Sept 27, 2015 20:11:39 GMT -6
It's actually just one part. I used the / because you could call it either one.
I was planning to use the chrome right out of the box and highlight the squares in the centre of the rad.
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Post by magnum4342 on Sept 27, 2015 21:13:16 GMT -6
Speaking of highlights, I've always preferred a satin or semi gloss black. It comes out a little darker. Gloss will darken even better but you'll see the gloss to it. Try some satin on a spare piece and see if you like it.
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