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Post by nightstalker on Oct 26, 2009 14:06:34 GMT -6
The Uncertain-T always reminded me of that one shirt you put on before you leave the house and aren't sure if you want to wear it. it just doesn't feel or fit right. I can't be the only one who has one of those. lmao
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Post by A.J. on Oct 26, 2009 15:53:28 GMT -6
humm wasn't AJ doing the same thing . Look Good thou. Love the color No, mine has the turtle deck and is blended in a bit more. His looks like the coupe version of the Johnny Lightning TNT. I had originally thought about doing the pickup bed but it didn't lend itself to the lines of the kicked over roof as much as the turtle deck did. As for that T-Shirt comment. There are a few guys here that don't like this particular shirt but it's very few. I'm not one of them. I still see the character of the Uncertain T and how well thought out it really was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 17:15:38 GMT -6
I know its not really quite right, but that body is scratch built from sheet styrene.
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Post by nightstalker on Oct 26, 2009 20:58:20 GMT -6
A.J. - No the car itself is fine. I love the car. I was making a pun of the actual NAME Uncertain-T
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Post by A.J. on Oct 27, 2009 5:21:26 GMT -6
Bill that wasn't a jab at your build. It's really nice, I like it. I was just commenting as to why I didn't go with the pickup bed.
As for the T-Shirt chat, ha ha, I didn't catch that. Sorry. I see your point now though. I have several of those T-Shirts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 8:02:44 GMT -6
Just stating it is what it is, because it's not what it's suppose to be. Ah... more less!
No offense taken AJ
Bill
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Post by moriarity on Oct 27, 2009 10:48:14 GMT -6
You guys are probably going to hate me for this, but I was at the swap meet in cedar rapids Iowa a couple weeks ago and bought a mint in the box never been built uncertain T for seven dollars!!!!
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Post by nightstalker on Oct 27, 2009 10:59:49 GMT -6
Yeah Mark, you are right. I hate you. lmao
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Post by A.J. on Oct 27, 2009 11:18:39 GMT -6
I'd say that is pretty killer Mark! Nice Score! The stuff is still out there if people want to go looking. I find good kits about anywhere I go that has them. Just gotta dig for them sometimes, other times ya just gotta be in the right place at the right time.
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Post by Tim Nolan on Oct 27, 2009 16:23:15 GMT -6
I probably shouldn't even comment in this thread, but I guess I will. I had the Yahoo site "In Search of Steve Scott and the Uncertain T" for several years. We had fun trying to track down Steve and the car. The day Steve was finally located was historic for us all who are fans of the car. I genuinely wish we had found the car instead. After talking with Steve on the phone myself after a few hand-offs, I found him to be oddly reclusive, paranoid, and even angry. From what he told me, he holds ALL the rights to anything Uncertain T, including the web domains, etc; He is adament about protecting all his rights to the car, as it's builder and creator, yet he hasn't owned the car in a very long time. He told me he does know who has the car and where it is, yet he hasn't spoken to the man in like 20 years. He rambled on forever about his hate for Barris. He told me the car and himself would be reappearing very soon at a famous car show. He has no interest in cars whatsoever. I found the whole thing odd and uncomfortable. Chuck has managed to become fast friends with him, I just didn't hit it off with him I guess. It was a huge letdown for me, and I've gotten to the point where I don't even like looking at the car any more, even though I have a complete perfect resin cast sitting in front of me and every magazine article and picture of it in existance. Sometimes our hero's aren't what they seem to be from the past....
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Post by A.J. on Oct 27, 2009 16:50:22 GMT -6
I definitely know what you are saying Tim. In my talks with Chuck, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's hard to grasp why a person with no real interest in cars can hold onto this the way he does. It's my guess that through all the crap he went up against with Barris and any other top builders of the time that he protects it so nobody else can touch it. There seems to have been some broken egos when Steve came along with the Uncertain T, at least from what I've read or heard. It was evidently very personal to a lot of parties. Who knows! I only hope that some day (soon) that Steve puts it all out there for everyone to understand rather than a lot of conspiracy theory type stuff that just keeps rambling around. I've always been and always will be interested in the history behind the car and all the goings on with it whether they be good or bad. Hopefully it'll all be out some day soon. I'll see the car in person if I ever get the opportunity even if I have to travel.
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Post by nightstalker on Oct 27, 2009 17:25:33 GMT -6
I never knew the backstory or the history fo the car or the man. I just always knew the car was pretty cool looking, and very original looking. So where do you go to read up on all this info about Steve Scott and the car?
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Post by davea on Oct 27, 2009 17:26:06 GMT -6
It really is odd. Since it appears we may never see a reissue, I'll hold on to my MIB original. Too bad there has to be so much crappy history around this car.
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Post by A.J. on Oct 27, 2009 19:16:47 GMT -6
I never knew the backstory or the history fo the car or the man. I just always knew the car was pretty cool looking, and very original looking. So where do you go to read up on all this info about Steve Scott and the car? Well, most of it was through another topic string here which was quite a few pages long. That and talking with people who had talked with Steve himself. I've read bits and pieces about it in other forums as well. If you dig around here at the Corner, there is one lengthy thread that has a lot of talk in it about the whole thing. It's a few years old at this point though.
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Post by Alan Alexis (stavanzer) on Oct 28, 2009 7:34:33 GMT -6
Hmmmph. I'll comment for the first time in a long while. I never liked the car. After reading this (and all the other threads about the T), I have to say, I think my initial impressions were correct. The car is a "One Shot Wonder" built by a man who is severely disturbed. He is holding onto a 40 year old grudge that will soon be forgotten as both he an Barris go to that great BodyShop in the Sky. Notice how all of Scott's anger has hurt Mr Barris. Why, Poor Ole George can barely Leer at the chicks any more at his many car show apperances, while the victorious Mr Scott is allegedly holed up in Hawaii, smokin' dope and nursing his wounds. Why are the creative types who build this these cars such whiny babies........?
Ken, Congrats on the Name. It does indeed have great value to the guy who wants it for the reasons you did. May not make you any money, but what a heck of a conversation piece!
Chuck D. Good on you for not letting Mr Scott disappear. I am afraid that I would not have the ability to talk to the guy. You are a better man than I am in that respect.
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Post by ShowRodFreak Don V. on Oct 28, 2009 10:22:05 GMT -6
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Post by nightstalker on Oct 28, 2009 11:35:20 GMT -6
Interesting reading. But a few things I don't understand that maybe you guys can help me with... 1. Whats george Barris got to do with this and his hatred? George didn't copy the car. I am not sure he claimed he built it either. 2. Whats Steve so p'd or bitter about after all the years in the first place? And why did he take the car and hide it after a few short years of showing it.
I mean no offense here, it is an avergae guy that built ONE car almost 40 yrs ago and thats it. He didn't cure cancer, change hotrod history, invent the wheel, etc. He wasn't a Roth, Barris, Jeffries, etc. that created histroy, built multiple cars, started a kulture, changed the way hotrodding was viewed,.. etc. I mean the car looks very cool. But so have 1000 other no named builders cars in the last 40 yrs that don't act like this. I am not out to take anything away from the guy, but in all reality, there isn't ANYTHING to take from him anyway. He built one car and than grabbed his football and went home after a few short years and seems to be bitter about the whole scene. Who is he trying to hurt or affect after all these years keeping a car hidden in a garage?
Not to down on anyone here. I understand the interest by builders here over the history/design of the car. It was another wildly design model many built as a youngster that would love to see the car again and build once more. I get that. I just don't get HIM and his whole thinking.
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Post by Tim Nolan on Oct 28, 2009 17:33:02 GMT -6
As the story goes, The Uncertain T pretty much won EVERY Sweepstakes contest in it's first year of showing. I guess it p'd off Barris to lose so much after being the top winner for so long. Steve told me he had just won another big show. Show rules in those days called for you to remove the battery from your car once it was in place. Steve was walking back to the car, and George and a bunch of his followers confronted him about winning, saying he had cheated to win. (OK, how the hell do you do that?) Steve is standing there holding the battery, and George huals off and lays him out. Then GEORGE proceeds to call the cops and tell them Steve assualted HIM. He later filed a suit against Steve, but it got thrown out. If you look at the Roth t-shirt design of a fanged ape driving the Uncertain T, he is holding out a rolled up piece of paper in his hand. It says on it:"Summons from George"! LOL. I think thats damned funny! This was the story I got. Steve said he got so p'd after that he garaged the car. I do think it appeared at a few more shows before it disappeared. There have been countless stories of it being parted out or destroyed in a fire. There is a small ad in hotrod magazine in like 1972 showing it for sale. Supposedly GEORGE ran that ad to pee off Steve! Yet another trivial mystery of sorts.....Who the hell knows. We probably never will.
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Post by nightstalker on Oct 28, 2009 17:42:31 GMT -6
WOW, well some of that starts to put the picture together and understand a little more of that. Thanks for that Tim. Well I guess car shows were just as "cut-throat" in many ways back then, that they are now.
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Post by Paul B. Canney on Oct 28, 2009 17:45:39 GMT -6
As the story goes, The Uncertain T pretty much won EVERY Sweepstakes contest in it's first year of showing. I guess it p'd off Barris to lose so much after being the top winner for so long. Steve told me he had just won another big show. Show rules in those days called for you to remove the battery from your car once it was in place. Steve was walking back to the car, and George and a bunch of his followers confronted him about winning, saying he had cheated to win. (OK, how the hell do you do that?) Steve is standing there holding the battery, and George huals off and lays him out. Then GEORGE proceeds to call the cops and tell them Steve assualted HIM. He later filed a suit against Steve, but it got thrown out. If you look at the Roth t-shirt design of a fanged ape driving the Uncertain T, he is holding out a rolled up piece of paper in his hand. It says on it:"Summons from George"! LOL. I think thats damned funny! This was the story I got. Steve said he got so p'd after that he garaged the car. I do think it appeared at a few more shows before it disappeared. There have been countless stories of it being parted out or destroyed in a fire. There is a small ad in hotrod magazine in like 1972 showing it for sale. Supposedly GEORGE ran that ad to pee off Steve! Yet another trivial mystery of sorts.....Who the hell knows. We probably never will. great story!
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Post by A.J. on Oct 28, 2009 18:36:10 GMT -6
Wow Tim, I hadn't ever heard the part about Barris laying Steve out.
After reading the article about Dave Stuckey and the LiL Coffin today, it really only makes me want to know the true story as told by Steve even more. I hope he really does come out with the car or a book or a good article some day to settle everything. Pretty wild stuff!
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Post by Ryan Carlson on Oct 28, 2009 23:22:18 GMT -6
Crazy stuff, It makes you wonder what happened between those two. I must admit Iam not a big fan of Barris either I think he is overated not to mention when I met him for the first time I was in shock that he wanted my home address and number. long story short he had some goon snap shots of my wife girlfreind at the time he then called every second day wanted her to be on monster garage, I was like Iam the gearhead he went on to say it was a all girl episode and there were building a hot tub merc. two days later a airmailed barris envelope shows up at my door Inside was some bulls@#t pics of the cars he's done and detailed instructions how to take nude pics of my wife and send them in. Needless to say nothing was taking nothing was sent but I did recieve a phone call from him about a month after and he asked if we got the envelope? I replied yes! He said are you planning on sending the pictures? I replied once you send the check!!! What a perv
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Post by Tim Nolan on Oct 29, 2009 12:24:05 GMT -6
I think Tory's "put it to them" is in regards to royalties. I'd ask for a decent amount too if it was me.
Tom Lowe, former CEO of Playing Mantis, Playing Mantis, and now Auto World, did that once from what I remember. Tom's a really smart guy. He went and looked up all the copyright stuff, and Barris had even let the one on the Batmobile lapse from what I remember! That's how he ended up with Johnny Lightning, Sizzlers, etc; etc; It's all fair game once the copyright is up. It's up to the owner's to make sure they continue these rights over the years and don't let them lapse.
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Post by gwangiboy on Oct 29, 2009 13:13:22 GMT -6
Tom Lowe, former CEO of Playing Mantis, Polar Lights, and now Auto World ... He went and looked up all the copyright stuff, and Barris had even let the one on the Batmobile lapse from what I remember! That's how he ended up with Johnny Lightning, Sizzlers, etc; etc; It's all fair game once the copyright is up. It's up to the owner's to make sure they continue these rights over the years and don't let them lapse. I wondered how in the world Playing Mantis got away with using the Sizzlers name for their own line of powered cars ... I'd guess Mattel wasn't very happy about that at all! (and probably learned from it, as Mattel revived the Sizzlers cars for a limited time several years later)
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Post by Starry Eyes on Oct 30, 2009 13:13:42 GMT -6
The story is close Timbo but needs some correction.. Steve is going to give me a jingle later to give me the scoop-da-loop ... ;D
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Post by djway3474 on Oct 30, 2009 13:19:17 GMT -6
A friend of mine almost decked Barris recently at a model car contest. Barris came in and started picking the models up and waving them around. My friend jumped up into Barris' face but one of his body guards stepped in or the old fart would have gotten it. The times I have met him I did not care for his as he was an unplesant person.
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Post by scurvy on Oct 30, 2009 14:13:29 GMT -6
Ssssh... some people get upset if we don't buy in to the Barris promotional machine. Wouldn't want to disillusion certain Corner members.
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Post by Starry Eyes on Oct 30, 2009 16:51:29 GMT -6
It's very easy to get little details and things a bit mixed up, so I'm glad to take the time to help Timbo set the record straight. -Chuck- As this story REALLY goes... The Uncertain T won First Place or Sweepstakes in every car show that it was ever entered in. Even so,. this has nothing to do with whether it upset George Barris or not. Steve had just won at the NHRA Winternationals car show in Los Angeles. Show rules in those days called for you to remove the battery from your car once it was in place, and leave the battery out during the show. Steve was walking back to the T at the close of the show carrying the battery for the T on his shoulder. George, a hefty tough-looking male friend or most likely employee, and the family of the car that that George had built that got 2nd place, stopped Steve near his car and confronted him about winning, saying he had cheated to win! OK, how the hell do you do that? George told steve that he had "kiss-assed the judges", that the car that he had built for the family that was with him... a well known pearl pickup from the San Joaquin Valley in California... should have won! George let it slip that he had promised them they would win, and they concurred in a lively manner! Steve was standing there by himself holding the battery on his shoulder and said that that's ridiculous. Steve knew better than to do anything more because of George's reputation for causing people to do something they shouldn't, then George suing them for doing so, then magically producing witnesses that totally agree with whatever George said happened! Steve just smiled down at him and said that he was insulting the judges, that they should all go right then and talk to the judges. At that, George hauled off and slapped Steve and called him something that Steve doesn't want to repeat! Steve's mom and several other witnesses were standing nearby during all this and saw it all! Steve and his mom then went directly into the show office to complain, and to call the police to have George arrested right then for... as Steve liked to say with a grin... for "Assault on a Battery" The police wouldn't do anything because nobody was hurt. They told Steve that he had to file a complaint at the police station... which Steve did first thing the next morning. If you look at the Roth t-shirt design of a fanged ape driving the Uncertain T, the guy is wearing the kind of shirts that Steve always wore. That's Steve holding out a rolled up piece of paper in his hand. It says on it: "Summons - - - Big George"! The case didn't get thrown out at all. There were many witnesses who were happy to testify, including a couple of off-duty police who had entered their cars in the show! They told Steve that they couldn't appear as witnesses because of the type of police work that they did, but to not worry, to just go to court without witnesses and everything would happen the way that it should. One of them actually came to the courthouse and told Steve that he'll be outside if Steve needed him, but that he shouldn't need him. When Steve went into the judge's chamber for the "hearing", George was there with his "friend", and another "witness" who wasn't even there! The judge asked Steve what happened. While Steve was talking, George butted in, called Steve a liar and started telling his version of how Steve had lunged at him with the battery, so he, George, was only protecting himself. The judge then snapped at George and told him to shut up! The judge then immediately said that he'd heard enough, and that everyone there (in the court system) was tired of him, that he, the judge, was issuing a court order to the effect that if George ever got near Steve again, and/or tried to do or say anything against Steve, all Steve had to do was to call the court and George would be put in jail! Steve never said anything about garaging the car because he was upset about this incident. The T appeared in a few more shows until Steve was then drafted and went into the Coast Guard, during which he couldn't show it. There is also no truth to the many fairy stories about the T being parted out, destroyed in a fire, etc., etc. There was a small classified ad in Hot Rod magazine in like 1972 showing it for sale. It wasn't placed by Steve. Some say that George placed the ad to get back at Steve, but most likely not, because if he, George, got caught for doing it, he would have gone to jail as per the court order! Yes... as the post says: this is yet another twisted and turned story, and who the hell knows? Well... Steve knows... and he just corrected this one for me. Chuck D.
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Post by Rodger on Oct 30, 2009 17:23:00 GMT -6
Ssssh... some people get upset if we don't buy in to the Barris promotional machine. Wouldn't want to disillusion certain Corner members. Too late I'm shattered Just kidding ;D What a soapy mess. Doesn't surprise me at all. With all those egos flying around bumping into each other there are bound to be clashes. It should be on the telly but only if the actors crouch down behind the cars when they talk
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Post by Paul B. Canney on Oct 30, 2009 19:41:35 GMT -6
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