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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 13:58:44 GMT -6
I asked a seller if he had a buy it now price for a newly listed item. By the time he got my question others had bid, and he apropriatly declined an outright sale. Totally understood!
A few minutes later he replied again and told me he had similar parts in his stash, and would send pics to my email. I agreed and responded with my e-mail address. this was the result.
Your message wasn’t sent because it included an email address.
For your safety, eBay does not allow the exchange of email addresses in member to member communications . This protects both buyers and sellers by keeping a track record of communications. It also helps ensure that transactions happen on eBay so buyers and sellers are covered by eBay protection programs.
Please remove the email address and resend your message.
If you want to receive photos from another eBay member, you do not need to share your email address. Buyers and sellers can now attach images to messages sent from eBay by using the “Attach Photos” button.
It seems these tirds are now reading our buyer, seller communications to control everything.I guess this must be the new Hobbycare Plan that nobody wants!
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Post by RatRod on Jul 6, 2013 14:49:04 GMT -6
I guess it was bound to happen someday Bill. I wondered back when they started changing things around if something like this would be the result.....it was!!! I quit over a year ago, eBay can kiss my a$$, they'll never get another red cent of mine ever again.
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Post by TooOld on Jul 6, 2013 15:05:21 GMT -6
I don't think they are reading the messages , the email address automatically flags and stops the message . I had this happen a few months ago and got around it by sending a photo of the parts with my address in the photo . No problem , if they were reading messages they would have stopped that one too !
Still , it makes no sense and is just another example of them wanting complete control over everything .
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Post by Paul B. Canney on Jul 6, 2013 16:39:23 GMT -6
I understand the policy and don't have an issue with it
Its because making deals on the side through ebay undermines company
They aren't in business to help people make deals, they supply a secure and safe environment for people to sell stuff
When you make a deal on the side and it goes bad, who you gonna call? ebay?
It's because of the abuse of these deals on the side that the policy was put in place.
Their website, their rules....
Their email system is monitored , yes, by robots (programs) searching for key patterns. Because of years of people abusing the system. Again, they are in business to make money . Revell in in business to make money. Same thing. It's called capitalism.
Who are you hurting by not doing business with ebay? Well, it certainly isn't ebay. So you may feel you're "showing them who's who" but really... you're only stroking your your own ego.
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Post by iceman555 on Jul 6, 2013 17:34:47 GMT -6
Yeah, eBay has algorithms in place to prevent you from sharing your email. Once you start communications outside of eBay, it can't protect sellers or buyers for that matter. Not to mention they lose the few cents they make from anything you buy/sell through them. They are indeed a business so they have to stay afloat somehow. It could be worse.
If you really want to share your email with a buyer/seller you'd have to get creative and figure out how to spell it out. For example model123@yahoo.com might work like this: model123 at yahooooo dot com. Can't guarantee that it will work but I've shared and had buyers share their email address with me that way before.
Although some folks think eBay owners are evil, dictators, and theirs, it is still one of the best places to find just about anything you're looking for and sometimes at great prices. Remember when an item is expensive in an auction it's because bidders/buyers are willing to pay this much. It's the bidders that I find the craziest at time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 17:48:44 GMT -6
I undrstand about capitalism, and I'm all for it.
I buy E-Bay listed items thru E-Bay, and they make
money. thats fine, no problem.
But I really don't believe that I should not be
allowed to buy your non-listed, personal property,
just because we first met on E-Bay.
I first met you here on the Coffin Corner... I'd
hate to believe I could not talk to you anywhere
but here. I met my wife at Wal-Mart, God forbid all
our interactions should have taken place there.
I underdstand their house, their rules. But when
you meet someone in E-Bays house, and you are
forbidden to speak outside of the house...
It's too much control. I can't change it, but
they can't force me to like it. Just my 2 cents.
And just for the record... Troy took non lised
items from his parts stash, listed them as buy
it now at 4:45 pm so I could be right there at
4:45 to make the purchase. E-Bay profited from a
deal they forced to be in house. gotta love that!
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Post by iceman555 on Jul 6, 2013 17:57:14 GMT -6
Yeah I completely agree with that, Bill. Glad to see Troy hooked you up with what you ended though. Sometimes it's worth it putting up with eBay rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 21:01:01 GMT -6
Send your e-mail addy like this
your name (with a at sign) do main name (period) kom with a c leave out spaces
Spell it out like that and the robot e-mail reader will allow it to pass!!!!
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Post by chromecop on Jul 7, 2013 12:24:33 GMT -6
I undrstand about capitalism, and I'm all for it. I buy E-Bay listed items thru E-Bay, and they make money. thats fine, no problem. But I really don't believe that I should not be allowed to buy your non-listed, personal property, just because we first met on E-Bay. I first met you here on the Coffin Corner... I'd hate to believe I could not talk to you anywhere but here. I met my wife at Wal-Mart, God forbid all our interactions should have taken place there. I underdstand their house, their rules. But when you meet someone in E-Bays house, and you are forbidden to speak outside of the house... It's too much control. I can't change it, but they can't force me to like it. Just my 2 cents. And just for the record... Troy took non lised items from his parts stash, listed them as buy it now at 4:45 pm so I could be right there at 4:45 to make the purchase. E-Bay profited from a deal they forced to be in house. gotta love that! LOL! This was the best I've read in a long time!!So funny , yet so true! |
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Post by old school modeler on Jul 7, 2013 12:51:58 GMT -6
I picked up this problem with the auto detect on email address and blockage a few weeks back. Follow the tips here on spelling out your email, no @ signs, no .com or dot com, no mention of "address" (spelled correctly). Most folks understand and can easily figure it out, sort of like that spam filter code stuff in reverse!
Yep, its the continuing greed driven march away from anything that remotely resembles the "community" that Ebay was originally founded on. When it gets to this point where you can't even have a dialogue with a seller to send or receive info, the paranoia has gone too far. Add to that withholding the id's of your competitive bidders, and all the other helpful historical information you can't get any more, lack of followup on problems, etc. There are plenty of valid problems with Ebay and little doubt that their value relative to cost continues to decline for sellers and buyers alike as they continue to raise fees. You have no real options though, and THAT continues to be the problem.
It is a negative and non-trust based business philosophy that is coming through. If they would work at letting go of the control and paranoia drive and instead make Ebay a more efficient and effective environment, reducing the costs through expansion and technology, providing flexible options for payment and shipping, installing real policies to police and ban both bad sellers and buyers, and sharing value with their sellers they'd likely have much more gain than what they might loose from side deal "leakage". When Ebay was a fair environment it worked well, everyone prospered, it self policed, there was a lot less cheating and deception and no one complained about "GreedBay".
Related to this, haven't heard much more about that tax collection intrusion issue. That could also be a coming factor that changes the Ebay landscape. Would expect it to be similar to the effects you see at shows. When the government starts complicating the environment with needless regulation and oversight a big exodus occurs from the folks that just don't want the hassle.
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Post by redbaron on Jul 7, 2013 18:52:20 GMT -6
Ya I kinda realized this a few months ago, when I asked a seller if he could send me pictures of a parts car and never got a response, he was communicating regularly up to that point so I just kinda figured he never got my final e mail
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Post by peteski on Jul 8, 2013 1:04:13 GMT -6
This filtering (not just hobby - all listings) has been in place since at least beginning of 2013 (or even earlier). It is not fooled by either spelling "at" or "dot" or putting spaces around them. Their justification is that since they now allow photos to be attached to the communications, there is no need for out-of-ebay communications. Yes, eBay has gotten way more pain and way too "secure"! Back before all these measures were introduced, one by one, I used to enjoy looking up seller's and bidders buying history and their bidding patterns (to see what I was up against). Now it is all hidden. I still use eBay when I have to, but it is no longer a fun place to visit.
Also, there are way too many buy-it-now listings and since there is no listing fees, people list crap over and over again. EBay is trying to be more like Amazon.
As far as tax collection goes, I heard that if this ever gets reenacted, it will be only for sellers who sell over a million dollars worth of merchandise per year.
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Post by ShowRodFreak Don V. on Jul 8, 2013 13:26:38 GMT -6
I had the same thing happen, but its easy to do.
showrodfreak a.t. y.a.h.o.o. c.o.m.
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Post by ZINGER on Jul 8, 2013 21:17:50 GMT -6
IF YOU CAN SEND A PHOTO OF YOUR PARTS, ETC. WRITE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND SEND A PHOTO OF IT.
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Post by AL on Jul 9, 2013 0:16:07 GMT -6
. . . . oh darn,
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Post by old school modeler on Jul 9, 2013 0:46:56 GMT -6
IF YOU CAN SEND A PHOTO OF YOUR PARTS, ETC. WRITE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND SEND A PHOTO OF IT. Love it! Great suggestion |
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Post by Paul B. Canney on Jul 9, 2013 3:42:18 GMT -6
IF YOU CAN SEND A PHOTO OF YOUR PARTS, ETC. WRITE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND SEND A PHOTO OF IT. GENIUS!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 6:58:53 GMT -6
The tax reporting thing started in 2012. Sell over $20,000 and you get a 1099 (IIRC) but no rules on how you value collectibles .....wild wild west...no rules.
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Post by peteski on Jul 17, 2013 3:53:01 GMT -6
The tax reporting thing started in 2012. Sell over $20,000 and you get a 1099 (IIRC) but no rules on how you value collectibles .....wild wild west...no rules. Weren't they talking about the sales tax which the sellers will have to collect when shipping to states with state sales tax? Sounds like you are talking about income tax reporting (profits from selling your wares on ebay). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 9:31:38 GMT -6
As far as tax collection goes, I heard that if this ever gets reenacted, it will be only for sellers who sell over a million dollars worth of merchandise per year. Seems to me we heard something like that from Washington about our last Income tax increase.  |
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