Are These Worth $$$.$$ ?

[TooOld]

Four Tom Daniel Snap Kits , Mint in Factory Packaging with all paperwork .
Includes : Screamin' Vette
Boss Mustang
Dune Rat
Thunder Bug


I would think a couple hundred a piece . . . so about $800.00

Be sure to sit down before clicking the link www.ebay.com/itm/Mattel-Monogram-1970-SALESMAN-SAMPLE-BOX-mint-unbuilt-ASSORTMENT-SHIPPER-empl-/130958465700?pt=Diecast_Vehicles&hash=item1e7dbb9aa4

[AL]

GOOD LORD .....

[Starry Eyes]

They're worth what someone is willing to pay .. lol...

[AL]

reality check folks, -----it's only styrene plastic, ..................................

[nighthawk]

I think it's ridiculous.
But I also think the prices some old AURORA kits fetch are ridiculous.

Like AL said, it's only styrene plastic. And it's even OLD styrene plastic.
May well be in mint packaging but you can't tell where it's been. For all I know it may even be warped
by heat or something. But that's not the point.

The point is: It's easy asking for lots of money if you think you found the amber chamber - But getting said money
is bound to be a problem.

[barten]

What a great find...what is the story behind these?

Most everyone here would love them in their collection.

Thank for the image. . . .what are you going to do with them?

GB
barten

[rondo]

Seems like wishful thinking. They are nice kits which fetch good money but not that much. Tooold's estimate seems pretty generous. IMHO they would be worth more in sealed retail packaging. There doesn't seem to be any "bonus" to this lot. Perhaps if it contained a nice artful store display or verifiable factory built models..... It's just 4 bagged kits in a plain shipping carton though. Best of luck to the seller.

[TooOld]

Aug 1, 2013 4:26:54 GMT -6 rondo said:

Seems like wishful thinking. They are nice kits which fetch good money but not that much. Tooold's estimate seems pretty generous. IMHO they would be worth more in sealed retail packaging. There doesn't seem to be any "bonus" to this lot. Perhaps if it contained a nice artful store display or verifiable factory built models..... It's just 4 bagged kits in a plain shipping carton though. Best of luck to the seller.

BINGO ! Very well said and I agree with you completely , I was being generous with my estimate .

[A.J.]

Just to throw in another 2 cents... Although a very interesting item, there isn't anything unique about it other than having an original shipping carton which doesn't really say what was in it. That serial number would be in one of my books and I may have to check it out if I can find it. At one time these 4 kits would have brought something in the range of what the guy was looking for but that would have been factory sealed retail kits. The Boss Mustang had definitely had a moment where you could barely touch a built one for a 100 to 150. I haven't followed them much for the last couple years but the few times I did didn't yield that high of numbers. The plus to these is that none of them have been reissued yet but that doesn't really dictate the kind of money he is looking for. If he gets that much out of them, I believe I'll be posting my original artwork for the snap draggins. It's gotta be priceless! LOL! Anyway, everything has been touched on I think with the exception of the colors. None of the colors on these kits are rare either. They've all be readily available in lime green and red. Still interesting all the same. Best of luck to the guy finding the person that collects on this level. There are far fewer of us these days and it definitely takes a collector archivist to want this type of item. Even in my hay day I doubt I'd have stepped up to this one. Just not anything unique to justify the amount. In my own opinion there might be $450 to $650 there but even $650 is reaching at $150 each and $50 for the shipping carton. Who knows...LOL! I'm glad somebody posted it though. I still enjoy seeing this stuff and I don't really search anymore.

[AL]

.... I'll throw down another penny, what the hell. -good conversation. I think this guy is reaching for the edge of the universe with a price mark-up like that, and i've got just one little point to make. and this point we already know, ( but sometimes forget I think ). When I was a kid, you could buy just about any Monogram ( new ) model-kit, for about $3. I'm talking: Vandel, T'rantula, Fast Buck, and the "likes". I wasn't into these kits listed above here, so I don't really know the prices they we're, but I'd imagine a little less than $3. --Maybe I don't have a grand point here, but hells bells,  I think I would carve a sand-crab out of coconuts, before i would spend that much money on those, even if I was FILTHY RICH ........... like I said, it's only styrene plastic !!!

1-cent.
-AL

[koffinbuilder64]

What Al said: it's only plastic!! (not gold plated)

[eshaver]

Hey, I'm glad someone has that kind of disposable income ! To me , well, I was never ever a Tom Daniels fan . I wouldn't touch them. However , they're someone's favorite from days gone by ................

[A.J.]

Aug 1, 2013 11:59:05 GMT -6 AL said:

like I said, it's only styrene plastic !!!

1-cent.
-AL

Well, you can apply "it's only..." to most anything collectible really. People pay exuberant amounts of money for old books, but "it's only paper!", people drops thousands on gems, but "it's only glass!", and people drops many more thousands on cars, but "it's only metal!" So why do people drop loads of money on vintage model kits, because they are collectible.

A better question might be why do grown people spend 20 to 25 dollars on a kits repeatedly and leave them on their shelf when they know they'll never build all of them. That's a question I'm interested in but purely because I'm adding some perspective. Are those new kits collectible? Will they be? But those guys aren't "collectors", they are builders. At least that's what I'm reading into this topic. Some people have 100 or more newer kits sitting on shelves but yet, it's only styrene. Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say each kit was 15 dollars. That means there is 1500 dollars worth of styrene sitting on the shelf. If it's only styrene wouldn't that money be better suited somewhere else like daily necessities?

Funny stuff this topic! I always get a kick out of the "builders" ringing in on the "collectors". The only time I've ever seen it the other way around is when somebody was groaning over the Grail Killer Brandon kit bashing a desirable kit or anyone like that. I was not one of them by the way because I always love to see people building those expensive kits. Makes my originals that much scarcer.

Anyway, to everybody that either collects or builds, it's all good. Enjoy this hobby in whatever form you can because it's nowhere near what it used to be and we all need to do what we can to preserve it. If it weren't for the collectors buying kits for big dollars we wouldn't have seen some of them coming back in reissues and if it weren't for the builders of those, we wouldn't see anything being produced at all. So it really takes both to make it happen. At least from my point of view.

[AL]

RING...RING...

paper glass metal plastic but does it mean we can get on board with this guy whose obviously smokin 800 dollars worth of crack everyday? you make a great point AJ, and for the most i agree, but what i think we're talkin here is GREED. -----and someone playing upon the love for our hobby. it's like you said earlier in this thread AJ, you assessed the "Reality" value of these, and came up with a figure that was "realistic" ( you ) with your great knowledge of going prices, and to the ordinary guy, those prices probably seem high. I understand some "Going prices" and actually, YOU AJ would be the first person I would look for ( IF ) I needed to put a value to an old kit.
--------------------this $hit I think is a different ball park brother ...... if these kits were soooo damn valuable and WANTED, ?Then why would'nt this guy "auction" these, and let all those folks who were after these, "Fight it out" ---?WHY ... because it's EASIER TO BE BLATENLY GREEDY.

I don't think it's OK, let me tell ya why, .. ?remember back in the 80's , .. all those damn infomercials about "Buy real-estate" "Get Rich" Crap?? -------------?You know what ?? Alot of people did do that, ( buy a damn house for $55.000 dollars sell it for $110.000. ) and made money, ?Do you know what the outcome of that was? they drove up the prices, to the point that, the average can't afford.
>>ITS ONLY WOOD<< but now ill never have my own home.

here's one more little point, and ?what about the guy who pays a enormous amount for a kit like rommels rod and the NEXT week, they just RE-ISSUE it?? !! what a BURN !!!! .................... ?what's THE POINT?? its !!ONLY PLASTIC!! -AL


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[donculley]

OK, heres my 2 cents.. Some people like to show off "rare" things they own , and really dont want to sell them so they advertise a crazy price, knowing only a nut wuld pay that much . I'm sure everyones been to model shows, and year after year theres the same guy with his rare kits ,always asking a ton of money, and the kits hang aound year after year.He has his common kits to sell off, but I always get the impression they're just showing off the rare possesions and really would rather just hold on to them. Maybe thats not the case here, but this is a guy that can say "look at me, I've got something no one else has" and if it sells hes got no bragging rights

[Brandon]

All I can say is nostalgia is a powerful thing, and when people are in "collectible mode," it's all relevant to how badly they want it, and how much money they have. In dealing in the hot rodding industry I've learned there are guys out there who operate on levels much higher than the average person. What you think of as expensive is couch cushion money to others. That's just the way it is.

They aren't making any more original models or boxes from fifty years ago. If that's what ya gotta have, and that's what somebody is offering, then the two might cross paths. You never know.

I once sold a rare BMX bike frame, that needed a complete restoration, for $800... two guys got into a bidding war and one guy HAD to have it... he later told me it was way too much money, but he hadn't seen another so he had to have it...

[oldcarrestorer72]

BOTTOM LINE--- WHAT WILL YOU REALLY TAKE???

[wheels]

As if the bin price isn't crazy enough they want another 15.49 to cover shipping too!!

[tradeshowjoe]

EDIT: I just clicked the link to e-bay- Price $2,500.00
REALLY!!!!?!!??
Hey Klownz, I'm late to this thread, I won't say the same things that have been said; But this dude is on crack, and looking for another junkie to fund his next binge! Well, that's my take on it.
This does however bring up something that matters to me and maybe others. I'm guilty of amassing a stash I won't be able to complete. Now, I'm nowhere near the stash masters I've met since starting into this a few years ago, but I'm going that way. So, I've been spending too much time and money on e-bay (Hi, Iceman; saw that you're here; recognized your name as I've bought from you recently). I've been looking for a decent VW engine (not the awesome Fujimi 356 engine- that's too long a story for this thread) to use on a "custom build". I found a good priced Revell Killer Bee, it's on the way now. Point is that last night I saw another Killer Bee listing and dude wants like $150 for it! He goes on and on about how damn hard the kit is to find. My problem now is that if it's a "grailish" kit, do I wanna cannibalize it? I mean, honestly, I'm not all that taken with the kit, it's cool, that's all. But if it's all that sought after, then I'd be perhaps interested in "turning someone else on to it", someone who would want it more than me.
So other than the obvious "what's it worth to you?" answer. Is there a way to get some kind of idea for actual value of kits? I dunno, I'm rambling now. I just don't want turn a brand new "grail" kit into a "barn find" build and then find out later what I'd done. Yes, I think that's my point.

[TooOld]

Sept 4, 2013 23:41:19 GMT -6 tradeshowjoe said:

EDIT: I just clicked the link to e-bay- Price $2,500.00
REALLY!!!!?!!??
Hey Klownz, I'm late to this thread, I won't say the same things that have been said; But this dude is on crack, and looking for another junkie to fund his next binge! Well, that's my take on it.
This does however bring up something that matters to me and maybe others. I'm guilty of amassing a stash I won't be able to complete. Now, I'm nowhere near the stash masters I've met since starting into this a few years ago, but I'm going that way. So, I've been spending too much time and money on e-bay (Hi, Iceman; saw that you're here; recognized your name as I've bought from you recently). I've been looking for a decent VW engine (not the awesome Fujimi 356 engine- that's too long a story for this thread) to use on a "custom build". I found a good priced Revell Killer Bee, it's on the way now. Point is that last night I saw another Killer Bee listing and dude wants like $150 for it! He goes on and on about how damn hard the kit is to find. My problem now is that if it's a "grailish" kit, do I wanna cannibalize it? I mean, honestly, I'm not all that taken with the kit, it's cool, that's all. But if it's all that sought after, then I'd be perhaps interested in "turning someone else on to it", someone who would want it more than me.
So other than the obvious "what's it worth to you?" answer. Is there a way to get some kind of idea for actual value of kits? I dunno, I'm rambling now. I just don't want turn a brand new "grail" kit into a "barn find" build and then find out later what I'd done. Yes, I think that's my point.

It must not be too hard to find if you've already bought one ! Don't worry about it and use the engine for your project .
If a seller says it's "Rare" and "Hard to find" he's probably trying to sell a kit that really isn't to somebody who doesn't know better !

[Bert]

I think all of mine are rare, hard to find, vintage or classic. As far as grail kits, one man's trash is another man's treasure. A grail kit to me may not be one to you. You bought it for your project, use it. If the kit is that rare someone will also want the leftover parts. Brandon is one of the greatest grail killers on this site. Look around for some of his builds.

[tradeshowjoe]

You know, after sleeping on it, and getting the bug in the mail today, I came to the same conclusion. Not only that, the engine is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the comments.

[A.J.]

I didn't want to get off topic here but the Killer Bee (if it's the kit I'm thinking it is) isn't really rare. I do think it was pulled from the line when it came out for some reason but that's usually after some of them got out into the masses so it may be considered scarce but I don't think it really is. Of course I might have this kit mixed up with another of the Black Top Warriors series. I just can't remember off hand. Anyway, if all you need is the engine, I believe it's the same casting for the most part in all the Revell VWs. Once again, not sure but worth considering a look. There are a lot of VW builders/enthusiasts here so maybe somebody can ring in. Good luck and always go with your instincts. Sounds like you have the right thoughts on it by checking things out before pulling the trigger.