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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 5:21:44 GMT -6
For you 3-D guys out there. Don't take this personal, Because I have in excess of $1000.00
of 3-D parts myself. Most are things that a guy on my skill level could never build himself, or it would take years!
This thread is about the Old School guys, and their (hands on) projects.
I love to cut, carve, and shape plastic, and other materials into the pieces, and parts I have been dreaming of.
For me, There is a sense of satisfaction in this that has on other comparison in the modeling world.
I have not built a complete model kit in over 2 yrs, But I have made some pretty neat stuff.
I know there are still others, and some that make me look like a paper airplane folder. Care to share the objects
of your dreams, and the craftsman ship of your hands? I would love to see some Old School ingenuity at work.
I started a 1/8 scale 9" Ford differential yesterday I'd like to share, Anyone else?
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Post by Brandon on Sept 13, 2017 7:18:45 GMT -6
Scott Colmer is a master fabricator when it comes to scratch building.. he makes throttle linkages and stuff. I don't build stuff entirely from scratch, but I do enjoy the carving and filing of plastic to make what I want. Most of my stuff is in the body construction...  |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 13, 2017 8:05:36 GMT -6
Scott Colmer is a master fabricator when it comes to scratch building.. he makes throttle linkages and stuff. I don't build stuff entirely from scratch, but I do enjoy the carving and filing of plastic to make what I want. Most of my stuff is in the body construction... Wow, dude, that thing is CRAZY! What a gorgeous build! What's it called? |
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Post by Brandon on Sept 13, 2017 8:11:39 GMT -6
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 13, 2017 8:42:21 GMT -6
Too cool man! I LOVE seeing the pics of this in progress, thanks for the link! This made me laugh too: "the Double Dog ventures off into the street looking for loose pooches… if you know what I mean."  Good job, Grail Killer! |
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Post by 41chevy on Sept 13, 2017 10:29:28 GMT -6
I have no cars or show rods from scratch, some highly modified, these are two of Kenworth Oil Field trucks I built for CalTex Petro Exploration. Both about 97% scratch except modified cabs even the power plants are scratch built and all 1/25 scale. Paul  Hosted on Fotki |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 13, 2017 10:39:01 GMT -6
I have no cars or show rods from scratch, some highly modified, these are two of Kenworth Oil Field trucks I built for CalTex Petro Exploration. Both about 97% scratch except modified cabs even the power plants are scratch built and all 1/25 scale. Paul Hosted on FotkiWOW, Paul! Amazing!! That's a LOT of scratchbuilding dude! And I don't know much about the subject, but I can totally appreciate the work that went in. Incredible! You're a REAL craftsman! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 10:41:43 GMT -6
Pleasure to see the art of scratch building utilized...Nice work!
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Post by showrodjohn on Sept 14, 2017 4:14:30 GMT -6
Cool. I used to build N scale model trains. They were South Australian Railways goods wagons as no one made them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 8:06:21 GMT -6
Was hoping this might inspire a few to strut their stuff! 1 off's...
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Post by ZZZLAD on Sept 18, 2017 11:56:00 GMT -6
For you 3-D guys out there. Don't take this personal, Because I have in excess of $1000.00
of 3-D parts myself. Most are things that a guy on my skill level could never build himself, or it would take years!
This thread is about the Old School guys, and their (hands on) projects.
I love to cut, carve, and shape plastic, and other materials into the pieces, and parts I have been dreaming of.
For me, There is a sense of satisfaction in this that has on other comparison in the modeling world.
I have not built a complete model kit in over 2 yrs, But I have made some pretty neat stuff.
I know there are still others, and some that make me look like a paper airplane folder. Care to share the objects
of your dreams, and the craftsman ship of your hands? I would love to see some Old School ingenuity at work.
I started a 1/8 scale 9" Ford differential yesterday I'd like to share, Anyone else?
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Couple more hours today...Hosted on Fotki The thing I find interesting, is the way the older, hands on guys are coping with the fact that this newer 3D tech changes the entire playing field in many ways. I must admit, I'm old fashioned in many ways; but have trained myself to accept the reality , that 3D is here to stay & grow. As they say, it is the way of the future.Everything in the manufacturing field keeps moving forward with each new invention & either changes how things are done; or simply makes them obsolete, improves & replaces. Those who prefer to make things hands on; will continue & those who prefer hand made items as a buyer; will continue to buy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 13:06:25 GMT -6
The thing I find interesting, is the way the older, hands on guys are coping with the fact that this newer 3D tech changes the entire playing field in many ways. I must admit, I'm old fashioned in many ways; but have trained myself to accept the reality , that 3D is here to stay & grow. As they say, it is the way of the future.Everything in the manufacturing field keeps moving forward with each new invention & either changes how things are done; or simply makes them obsolete, improves & replaces. Those who prefer to make things hands on; will continue & those who prefer hand made items as a buyer; will continue to buy.
This forum used to be as stated on the Header... (A discussion group about model show rods) That's changed over the years also.
Evolution has taken it to space ships, street cars, computer generated artwork, and now pictures of 3-D printing that are only pictures... Where has all the plastic gone? I'm afraid after being here for 11 yrs, this forum has outgrown me also. And just like the future, I don't believe I have a place here either.
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Post by ZZZLAD on Sept 18, 2017 13:35:32 GMT -6
The thing I find interesting, is the way the older, hands on guys are coping with the fact that this newer 3D tech changes the entire playing field in many ways. I must admit, I'm old fashioned in many ways; but have trained myself to accept the reality , that 3D is here to stay & grow. As they say, it is the way of the future.Everything in the manufacturing field keeps moving forward with each new invention & either changes how things are done; or simply makes them obsolete, improves & replaces. Those who prefer to make things hands on; will continue & those who prefer hand made items as a buyer; will continue to buy.
This forum used to be as stated on the Header... (A discussion group about model show rods) That's changed over the years also.
Evolution has taken it to space ships, street cars, computer generated artwork, and now pictures of 3-D printing that are only pictures... Where has all the plastic gone? I'm afraid after being here for 11 yrs, this forum has outgrown me also. And just like the future, I don't believe I have a place here either.
Well - I agree that the purpose should be focused on Show Rods - To me, nothing else belongs. You don't go onto a stamp collecting site & start popping pics of cats; unless your an idiot.Now, as far as the question, do YOU still belong here; this obviously is a question; only you can answer; but I will say; if you are a true modeler & as hardcore as they come - you will come to realize that this actually won't effect yourself at all; unless you let it. - DON'T !! -You see, you & I are the same in this regard - Although there's people that own fridges that talk & have cameras in them; doesn't mean I want the F***ING thing, people are brain washed into thinking everything new is good.. It ain't. Now, if you stop & think about it,and go look at ANY of the models YOU built; ( even OOB ) ...... guess what ? they are ALL ONE OF A KIND IN THE ENTIRE WORLD... THEY ARE UNIQUE !! - YOU BUILT THEM.. I see this 3D world, as a blessing, for those who have never gotten around to doing certain show cars & now will be able. It's not stopping me from doing my one off customs though. ......... and yes; I still play records. Don't stress over it, it's only a hobby & meant to enjoy. |
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Post by Brandon on Sept 18, 2017 13:48:58 GMT -6
Uhh... LOL.. Have you seen our contest? Jump in. Be the light that shines and part of the solution.  I will always love building models with my hands. That will never change. Plus old kits have soul. You can't print that... yet. LOL. Maybe in the future our crude attempts and pioneering parts will be cherished like a TD kit with damaged molds. |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 18, 2017 15:00:16 GMT -6
This forum used to be as stated on the Header... (A discussion group about model show rods) That's changed over the years also.
Evolution has taken it to space ships, street cars, computer generated artwork, and now pictures of 3-D printing that are only pictures... Where has all the plastic gone? I'm afraid after being here for 11 yrs, this forum has outgrown me also. And just like the future, I don't believe I have a place here either.
I've seen more showrod talk on here in the past week than there's been for a LONG time. And I know you don't like me posting on here, as you keep messaging me to tell me for whatever reason, but I love chatting showrods on this site with people from all over the world who are into the same subject. This place is my FAVOURITE place on the web, and I'm SO grateful that it's here still after all these years - and that I finally stopped lurking and jumped in. I'm having a ball! Sure, there's some off topic chat too, but even at my church they don't JUST talk about the same subject all the time. And yeah, there's been a lot of 3d parts on here lately because we've got people like Mike making 3d models of showrods that people want and donating his time and ENORMOUS skill to replicating cars that were never kitted into scale so that people can buy them. It's like having our own kit manufacturer asking us what kits we want, and making it so we can buy them. AMAZING! What a time to be a modeller. So, as far as I'm concerned, the more 3D printed parts the better, because the Roach Coach has been around for 40-whatever years and only now is there a way for me to buy one in scale (or soon, anyway). That blows my mind! How awesome! I'm sure the old guys making models from balsa wood didn't like injection molding either - and the tool makers who make the dies for those old kits didn't like it when you could design a mold on a computer and cut it on a CNC machine...but as long as, as a consumer, we're getting new exciting kits to build and new parts to play with who cares how they're made? I choose to see the positives in technology - but I still envy those who can scratchbuild parts so well that they're better than a kit part. I'll keep practicing at that skill myself... |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 18, 2017 15:26:04 GMT -6
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Post by ZZZLAD on Sept 18, 2017 18:52:51 GMT -6
Mr Kabdriver , well spoken & great progress on the build - nice shaping  - I see 3D as a positive; I think that Mr. Kabdriver & his 3D friends have breathed new life into the corner - I think everyone can tell they have the passion & the regard & respect for this site - "the buzz" is back & it is finally getting some action again. I say these boys deserve a big round of applause. |
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Post by donculley on Sept 18, 2017 19:21:07 GMT -6
I agree that Kabdriver has been a breath of fresh air onto this site ! There's still guys that have been here forever, but so many guys have posted one or two times and never showed any builds and then just disappeared . Just look at the member roster and see for yourself ! I'm guilty as well for not posting much anymore ; I restored a few old showrods this summer , but when Photobucket took a dump on me I haven't taken a picture since or reposted my completed builds . I wish more guys would join up that had kabdrivers enthusiasm !
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Post by 41chevy on Sept 18, 2017 22:36:25 GMT -6
That's the part of the hobby I enjoy is the making something from bits of plastic, my hands and my imagination. I'll spend hours making a part I could probably buy... BUT for me, it is just not the same as my doing it my self. Took me a long time to accept photo etch and resin, I'll eventually probably find something in 3D I'll like eventually. The best thing is building what I imagine, first in my head than at the bench. Paul
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 19, 2017 16:37:00 GMT -6
I never really saw “machine vs handmade” debate, just “electrons vs sweat”... We are the smart ones... ... we use machines, to do our bidding instead of our joints... I am constantly surprised at how much hand finishing is required on objects that are digitally manufactured, be it laser cutting, CNC routers 3D printing etc. The technology is still a way off the “hands off” Utopia... ... but this is not the point. It is about independent makers / designers / crafts vs mass production. It’s about the relationship of the individual maker to the individual consumer, for me. It`s no offense, but “Handmade” in itself means nothing intrinsically good, until very recently it was synonymous with wonky stitching and poor finishing... ... or have you never heard this: “Oh, that’s interesting, did you really make it yourself?” Harking back to that is just nostalgia.  The things that give the pleasure that I associate with bespoke, unique, handmade, or “for me”, do so because I imagine that I am different and unique and therefore require a different and unique product. I think that I deserve some special attention. That is the antithesis of mass production... The products don’t necessarily have to pass through an individual’s hands, but they need to feel like the product of an individual... It’s not about the “handmadeness” of any particular process at all, or if it seems like it is, it’s only because of proximity. It’s really about aligning myself with the kind of people who good at doing something – experts, craftspeople, people who understand quality. Person-made-ness... I consider myself an independent maker. The products I put out would not exist without my brain, my hands, and my mark. Handmade to me is about seeing a point of view and being able to see the makers hand in the work. I don’t think every step has to be handmade... ... but it is the essence of it being individually created. Here is a selection of handmade parts, conversions and own constructions:                |
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 19, 2017 16:37:43 GMT -6
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 19, 2017 16:37:59 GMT -6
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Post by ZZZLAD on Sept 19, 2017 17:11:00 GMT -6
I'm looking so forward to see the results of this 3D work; the thought of having such artists dedicate the time needed to do such projects & on CC; is beyond fantastic !! . For those who wish to use more primitive means to attempt what may be offered via 3D; have fun, I kinda see it this way; would I like to enter my car the "Dukes of Hazard way" ( by climbing in the window  ) ? ... Nah; I prefer to use the handle & just open the door. All of us have thought of doing certain cars, but have not gotten around to it - This is the chance to do it. |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 22, 2017 7:52:03 GMT -6
These is some ASTOUNDING scratchbuilding in Bobby's post there - just gorgeous work. A REAL craftsman! And I loved that post about scratchbuilding vs. machine-made parts.
I think it's all about using the right tools for the job...sure, you can cut parts off a sprue with a cutting wheel but is it the right tool for that task? Sometimes scratchbuilding a part is the right way, sometimes designing it in software is best, sometimes casting it in resin, sometimes using a lathe, sometimes modifying a kit part. At the end of the day, it's all just techniques to build a showrod - which is what we all love doing, and why we're all here!
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Post by johnverkerk on Sept 22, 2017 8:18:42 GMT -6
I'll chime in here!! , , I for one love to see scratch building it really makes a build unique and 1 of a kind ,I personally like to make my own bodies or highly modified , I use everything from kids toys vacuum forming ,resin , and lathe work these to me are part of the tools I use , I see 3d printing as another tool ( which I hope to have and learn down the road )At the end of the day I like what's happening on the site it's a breath of fresh air, I'm seeing a lot of scratch building going on in the contest portion sooo to mee!! it's all good. |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 22, 2017 8:23:41 GMT -6
I'd be interested in seeing some vacuum formed stuff John - I've messed with that a little myself but never for smaller scales like we work in.
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Post by johnverkerk on Sept 22, 2017 9:46:13 GMT -6
I'd be interested in seeing some vacuum formed stuff John - I've messed with that a little myself but never for smaller scales like we work in. I will be making a new bubble for a build I will send you a pic , stay tuned. |
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Post by Brandon on Sept 22, 2017 12:39:37 GMT -6
Hobby Bobby you make me feel like a hack and inspire me at the same time... so many great ideas and execution.
All I know is some proper 3D printed Druid Princess "cake molding panels" would be great.. we can build or scrounge the rest.
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 22, 2017 14:54:39 GMT -6
Hobby Bobby you make me feel like a hack and inspire me at the same time... so many great ideas and execution. All I know is some proper 3D printed Druid Princess "cake molding panels" would be great.. we can build or scrounge the rest. I bet I know a guy who could make those REAL easy (or make it look easy anyway)...Paging 3dscaleparts  Unrelated, but kinda related - I just saw on Mike's Instagram that he's received a new version of the Certain T body from the 3D printers. It looks AMAZING! I was SO excited to watch him unbox it! |
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- I see 3D as a positive; I think that Mr. Kabdriver & his 3D friends have breathed new life into the corner - I think everyone can tell they have the passion & the regard & respect for this site - "the buzz" is back & it is finally getting some action again. I say these boys deserve a big round of applause. 
) ? ... Nah; I prefer to use the handle & just open the door. 
