question about show rod build/contest

[Dr. Kerry]

if I had someone else paint my entry would that bar me from the contest?

[fredmellini]

Personally I don't see why........ever go to a car show?....how many of the guys actually do the work on their own cars!! (Them aren't fighting words, I am not talking about the low buck guys like myself that have to do their own work....I am talking about the guys with big $$$$ that pay every one else to do their work ;D ;D ;D ;D)

I think it is fine, if it makes you feel better--put a narrative giving credit to the painter----you are still the designer and builder!!!

Does Jesse James (west coast choppers) paint his own bikes himself?

Does Paul Tuttle (OCC Bikes) paint his own bikes himself?

Does (Will) Unique Whips paint his own cars himself?

Does Billy Lane paint his own cell? ;D

Does Rick G. paint all his models............er...............never mind ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[scurvy]

rickg said:

Now, if I can just figure a way to get the Tuttles to build my Models.. ;D

With my luck, Mikey'd be the one building mine.

[Deleted]

C'mon, it's a contest. It's a MODEL contest. Paint isn't like photo-etch, resin or dare I say... custom decals. Painting is a fundamentally basic part of the model car hobby. It's as basic to a great build as is removing the mold parting lines, filling and sanding the molding flaws, sanding the tire tread, and wiring and plumbing the model. It's one of those tasks you should do yourself.
How could you ever feel good about a contest entry knowing someone else did part of the hard work for you? Imagine if that was the difference between winning and losing?
I say, having someone else paint your contest model is cheating. It's cheating yourself out of the learning experience that going for a high quality paint job will give you.

[rwildeone]

Fred's observation is pretty much my take on the point. I've had those thoughts for years. I develope a concept. I draw it out. I study it for feasibility. (Both as would a real car work and what tools and process are necessary to accomplish the task. Lastly, but not least, do I have the *ss to pull it off.) Then, I jump on it! Being an egotist of sorts I want to do it all myself! But, that's me. In the end, I'm actully undecided as to the "correctness" of the issue. Real cars are one thing and models are another.( I hope none of you pick up your 1:1 car in one hand and work on it with the other. If you do, I should hope not to provoke your ire. As far as this contest, it should be a consenses of opinion by those participating.(Which I'm not.) I would think overall it should be permissable for the points Rick made.

[Tim Nolan]

Well, I think you could just call it a "joint entry" between you and whoever paints it. I have to lean towards Dan's views myself, not because I do alot of custom paint work, but because it's probably the MAIN thing that draws someones attention to a model build. Great paint does not neccessarily make a great model, but it's a big part of a builds appeal. It's one of the biggest things to truly master in model building, along with bodywork and detail, so I think it should be your job to finish it. Besides, from what I've seen, Kerry does some great paint work himself! Give it a go!

In the future, it might be kool to offer a "paint clinic" on the site for people starting out, or wanting to improve thier skills. We've got a good bunch of painters on here, and with guys like Rick, Boom, Elden to offer you advice, where could it go wrong?! I'm no expert, and I don't do it for a living, but I always enjoy helping people out with airbrush technique.

[ira]

Personally, I think if you are entering a contest, you should build the model and paint it yourself.
If you do enter a contest with a model built or painted by someone else, Simply made it clear who did what on the model.

[stevehammann]

I agree with Ira. Th point of these contests are to promote building... ALL of the building. I've said it before. We DO NOT descriminate here. Everyone builds at different levels. The more you build, the better you get (hopefully). I personally get as much of a kick out of watching the less skilled builders improve over time as I do seeing the absolutely knock out builds that are entered in the contests.

On the flip side of this debate, I'm not condemning any one for utilizing someone else's skills, but if you do have someone else do part of the work, have enough balls to fess up to it. As for entering a build you did NOTHING to in a contest and THEN pass it off as your own work, I call THAT being a WEASEL and you are lower than a snake's a$$ in wagon rut! If it's a partnership build then tell us up front and share the glory.

ira said:

Personally, I think if you are entering a contest, you should build the model and paint it yourself.
If you do enter a contest with a model built or painted by someone else, Simply made it clear who did what on the model.

[Honest Charlie]

I knew (know) a guy who enters models that he buys already built and wins with them almost every time. He never would give credit to the person who built them. I have a problem with that, but that's just me.

I feel that as long as you give credit to who deserves it then it's alright by me.

[TheMadModeler]

I'd vote on the side of paint it yourself. We all do.........Don't we?
It's what the hobby is about. Building yourself a model to
add to Your collection..
BiLL...

[fredmellini]

Yes, I am trying to make a point here, but please, I am typing with humor!!!!-

Oh Boy!! Here we go!!!! Lets face it, no matter what question is posted on this forum we are never going to agree 100%!!! It will never happen so in theory this arguement/dicussing will never die.....Doc could have said nothing and just entered his model in October and then the sparks would fly!! He took the initiative to aleast ask it it was OK. I thought this was suppose to be a fun event--I do not think anyones life is at risk here ;D ;D..........This is not a national sanctioned model contest. He was just asking about the paint job, nothing else.

I am just using Dan as an example here, but if I hired Dan to make a set or a very large design of his Kick A$$ decals and they take up 50% to 60% or more of my model design than is that any different...I mean I didn't make the decals somebody else did?

Lastly do we have an official rule book? (see now it becomes complicated and the fun runs away ) Is there an official model god? (Insert your name here) that will make the final decision? So really how does Doc's question really get a fair answer? Well, I will stop now because I was just trying to kill time during the 10 minute break of the Nextel All-Star Challenge---Go Bobby Labonte!!!!

Please guys lets keep this one simple and fun!!!!

[Dr. Kerry]

By the way Rick. you would be the chosen one......................

My thought exactly Fred, I wanted to ask before I did ruffle any feathers. I'm building what I think is a kick *ss show rod here and my paint skills aren't up to what I want on this build. You've all seen what great work Rick G puts onto anything he touches. His work is/was what I wanted on this. The only contest this will ever be in..is this one!! Otherwise it'll be an NNL style show with the props given to the painter..

I also agree with one other thing Fred said, Dan if I was to ask you to do a decal set that would cover more than 50% of this how would that differ?? Just curious....

If it's going to be a problem then count me out of the contest.... I don't want to upset anyone by what I do... Thanks for your input everyone and this build will be in the finished forum when I finish it!!!

[rwildeone]

???Rick the G? Great? Did I miss something? (:PLOL ) Seriously- I love seeing Ricks paint- contest or no contest. Fred snook up on something with how complicated the thing is getting. That's why I bowed out. I just want to build and show my builds. Do your build,enter, give credit! See what happens.

[Tim Nolan]

OK, here we a go again. "I'm out of the contest". Nobody said drop out, just voiced opinions. For the past year or so, everytime someone says one little thing during these contests, someone gets thier a-ss up and drops out.

It looks like the general consesus is enter it and give credit to Rick. Case closed. Sounds like a killer build, if you really feel that strongly about not being able to do it justice with your paint skills, then by all means, have Rick squirt it.

We all love Ricks paint jobs, and we all love your builds Kerry. I don't want to see us lose another entrant over menial crap. Please enter it.

[fredmellini]

WOO-HOO!!! Menial Crap Contest!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D(I have plenty of builds that will fit that catagory)...................Sorry, in all the excitement I lost my bow......er........I mean composure!!

[Paul B. Canney]

I've been holding back responding to this, hoping it would die a quiet death, but it seems to be an issue with everybody. So here's my 2 cents and then some.

I don't have an issue with someone painting a model for someone else. Hell, I don't even have an issue with someone building an entire model for someone else.

But not for a contest. [which was Dr K's original question]

It's an unfair advantage that not everyone has access to or can afford.

so the answer is, for this contest, no. Unless the painter is willing to paint as many entries from as many builders that request the painting for no compensation, save for shipping.

[Keith Shively]

Sorry guy's - l probably shouldn't voice an opinion -
but it seems to me,it all boils down to what you are actualy judging your builds on.l mean.if you're judging skill - then the build should be 100% that person's build.On the other hand - if you're judging an idea or vision,then by all maens have some-one else exicute it for you.No offence to any-one - just trying to help.Some-one said this contest should be fun.From an out-siders perspective,l see you guy's encouraging and enjoying each others work!Life is too short and shouldn't it be about
"Hey look what my brain hatched"You all do such wonderful stuff.
l've only been here a short time and l'm blown-away every time
l see al your stuff.Hope no-one minds my butting in like this.Keith

[zeppy1320]

l haven't been around for awhile had to go back into hospital had a bit of a accident acting the fool on my ducati
but anyway all this talk getting someone to some else's work on a contest model l haven't got a problem with it as long as credit is given to the person who did it
and at the end of the day if you disagree don't vote it
CAN'T JUST ALL GET ALONG ;D ;D ;D

[Dr. Kerry]

you must of misunderstood Tim, I didn't say I was pulling out, just if it would offend anyone. I won't be contacting anyone about painting it so I can enter it within' the contest. I just would of liked Rick's paint on this build and I didn't want for him to paint it, me to enter it, and everyone get miffed about my doing so. Thus the reason I posed the question to clear it up before I did so. Sorry for all the grief my question caused, I just wanted to find out how everyone felt about it.....

[fredmellini]

Swweeettt!!!!!!!!!.......................Big group hug!!!!............You too Mr. Canney!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D.....................Now lets start super glueing our fingers together!!! !

[Tim Nolan]

Well, sorry if I lost my temper a bit. I'm just so fried on the "well I'm out of the contest" routine it's ridiculous....This is happening over and over, and I'm finally tired of it. That's why in the contest rules I listed "No Whining"!

No reflection on you Kerry, you had a valid question, but in the future, folks are either going to follow the rules of simplicity with these contests (they really can be simple), or they aren't going to participate. Period.

I want to continue to promote these contests on this site, to help promote new building, encourage creativity, and most of all, TO HAVE FUN!!! Let's keep it simple. The politics and pissy arguments can stay on those "other boards". We've avoided it for years, we need to work at continuing to do so. I change enough poopy diapers at home, I'm not doing it here anymore. ;D Let's build some models.

[Starry Eyes]

Speaking of paint.. where's the best place to purchase a flake gun ?


Paint- it's what's for breakfast ;D

Chuck Darnell

[rwildeone]

I think you can use the airbrush you have with the largest tip you can get. Kinda' depends on size of "flakes". If you have model paint. that should fix you up. Rick told me about a good supply place. I'll look it up and update post if he doesn't show up first.
www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot/# or
www.bearair.com/

[Tim Nolan]

Chuck, my offer still stands Brother. Contact me via e-mail if needed.

[Brandon]

I like cars....


All I can say is that if you do not paint cars, you will not get any better at painting cars.


Contests here are fun, they are about building, and the FUN that goes intot hat, and the crazy ideas that we can come up with.

Paint it yourself, and don't worry about it. We judge by pictures anyway... I rattle can every one of my builds.

If we start getting bogged down in the technical aspects of these contests, we should stop having them. In the past we said "Contest" and everyone just put their head down and built. Now we say "Contest " and we have to have seven threads and two flame wars and three hissy fits over every little aspect of it. I really don't get that part coming from such a creative aspect of the modelling hobby. read the rules, build a car, do your best, and have fun.

I really don't have a problem with somebody else painting something for somebody, but I'd much rather see a crappy paint job on an owner-built model.... Practice makes perfect.... and don't sweat the small stuff.... (that last part is a quote from Ed Roth..)

[Dr. Kerry]

I to am sorry Tim, it's just that I've been wanting Rick to do a paint job for me and this is the type of build I wanted it on. I just posed the question in regards to if I did have Rick paint the car would it bar me from this contest? I understand that it would so I won't have him do it.