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Post by 3dscaleparts on Sept 6, 2017 1:20:48 GMT -6
Ok this one is going to be one heck of a challenge for me and we have a ways to go! I'm very excited to share this with you guys. This will take all of my skills to pull this off as I'm pulling my hair out every step of the way! No joke. The time of work done on the front portion is the same amount of time I had in the "Certain" T. This is a work of art folks that I wish I could see in person. There is no straight line or angle on this and thus makes me wonder if the manufactures thought it was too hard to pull off? Any inside knowledge would be appreciated on why they didn't. The surface work done by the original craftsman were skilled artist. That's for damn sure. I'm starting this build thread to get some insight on show rods that were never model kits. I took this project on because of many reasons, but mainly to see if the community would be interested in building a rod that would require lots of work from the body to the drive train. My goal is to create the body, glass bubbles, and interior parts. Time will tell what other parts can be printed, but there would be lot of scratch building left to do to actually make this model. Without a real kit made everything would have to be bashed, printed, or scratched together. Thoughts welcome on creating a model that has not been attempted so far. Just to be clear I do this on my spare time and any new work I'll try and post up. I'm taking my time to get this correct as possible and welcome feedback at any stage! Mike    |
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Post by showrodjohn on Sept 6, 2017 2:38:40 GMT -6
Looking forward to see this built.
Plenty of concept pics out there to choose.
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 6, 2017 6:11:28 GMT -6
This is going to be really Kool...!! Most of us have been wanting to scratch build the Roach coach...
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Post by johnverkerk on Sept 6, 2017 6:33:01 GMT -6
YOU WILL BE MY NEW HERO!! IF you pull this off!!
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 6, 2017 7:44:14 GMT -6
If you print a 1:18 scale version I'd more the happy to compensate...😉
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Post by 3dscaleparts on Sept 6, 2017 8:37:17 GMT -6
All good words folks. Its been a few days of work for me on this and its been a challenge so far. With that said I'm very much in the trenches with this one as there is so much more to work to do. In terms of scale I want to have available up to 1:8. The transparent windshield parts I am thinking about already and how those will get made. I am doing something I have yet to do with my progress is show screen grab images of every 1/2 or one hour or so. I'll start rolling some of those out so you can see the process!  Off to the races with a side view. Best one I found.  Block out starts here with an outline of the overall shape.  initial carving out the shape. Kind of like an actual sculpture. |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 6, 2017 15:43:33 GMT -6
Oh wow! This step-by-step is gonna be COOL to watch! Thanks for sharing! This isn't even a Showrod I was interested in, until I saw this coming together....now I'm DEFINITELY gonna want to build one!
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 8, 2017 5:40:14 GMT -6
WOW!  I can not believe it!  Mike, you're also my hero, this thing is my holy grail! The Roach CoachDesigned by the master Ed "Newt" Newton, ca. 1972, built by himself (he was actually half-owner of this beast), Dan Woods and Jake Jacobs.(according to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong...) " A surrealistic cockroach on wheels" or " A kinetic sculpture" is how Newt describes it.   I was always fascinated by this thing, I do not know exactly why, but it attracts me magical... And guys... ... I mean the vehicle and not the standing beautys in this Picture... ... which are now more than 30 years older... ;D |
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Post by Brandon on Sept 8, 2017 5:45:47 GMT -6
I would welcome the chance to hot rod one of those with multiple hemis or whatever my brain comes up with.... Muwhahahaaha!
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 8, 2017 5:55:16 GMT -6
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 8, 2017 6:02:18 GMT -6
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 8, 2017 6:10:31 GMT -6
I do not know if this was a great idea, if you would drive it in the night, the interior would be fully lit and the driver extremely blinded... Originally, the headlights were in the bubbles...   ... today they are gone...      Too bad it didn't run... ... can you imagine the tunes from those pipes? Woohoo! After hundreds of hours, the RoAcH CoAcH was born. The debut was a monster party during the 1978 NHRA Spring Nationals. The party celebrated the opening of RoAcH, Inc.’s new 100,000 sq. ft. facility, the top fuel drag racing team, the RoAcH CoAcH, and Stan Peterson’s’ wedding.  |
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 8, 2017 6:39:32 GMT -6
The RoAcH CoAcH is alive and well and it's currently owned by Don "The Egyptian" Boeke and is kept at his shop in Dayton, Ohio...   |
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 8, 2017 7:17:04 GMT -6
Holy!Bobby this too is one of my grails.... Ive
always loved the Indy tires down stream.... I been trying to get motivated to scratch one,... But as we all know to many projects.. I'm glad you shared every aspect pic of this bad@$$!!concept showrod... Lol.. All the way down to the real roach in the middle of the rim center of the lug nut configuration... They have more pictures of the car in some basement garage in Vegas i think.... But dude this is way kool
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 8, 2017 7:21:36 GMT -6
i love the exhaust pipes the way they did that a gorgeous vehicle by far....
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 8, 2017 7:24:17 GMT -6
i love the exhaust pipes the way they did that a gorgeous vehicle by far....
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 8, 2017 7:25:07 GMT -6
Oops!! correction the Roach is on the radiator she'll...
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Post by 3dscaleparts on Sept 8, 2017 8:28:11 GMT -6
Bobby....Big thanks on providing the pics! I thought I got all what I could online, but you actually had a few I didn't have. I've got about 40 pics and everyone of them counts for me to have as a reference. Without a true top, side, back and rear I have to make my visual decisions on these photos. Its not a big deal, buts a bit more challenging for sure.
Mike
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Post by sakke on Sept 8, 2017 8:48:12 GMT -6
The Coach is amazingly small when compared to garden chairs or people next to it !! It would be a small nightmare to build as a model kit, but I will buy one if ever available in kit form. I guess 1/20 scale would be a option, since many highly detailed formula 1/racing car kits have been done in that size and those kits have good donor parts. A COOL start from 3dscaleparts !!!
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Post by Brandon on Sept 9, 2017 10:07:24 GMT -6
The RoAcH CoAcH is alive and well and it's currently owned by Don "The Egyptian" Boeke and is kept at his shop in Dayton, Ohio...   Do we have anyone local that maybe could go by there or could you contact him and see if he could take some reference photos? I would imaging he would be stoked to learn somebody is trying to digitize that thing... be great to have dead-on front side and rear shots. It could even be done with a phone. |
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 9, 2017 11:16:06 GMT -6
From an old thread on here: "Dec 10, 2009 7:38:24 GMT 1 scurvy said: Get an AMT Gurney Eagle kit - it's got all the engine, trans and suspension parts you'll need. It'll just be a matter of building the front section of the chassis, the little interior that the car had and that wild bodywork. Oh - the rolling stock may be a bit problematic - Those old Firestone Indy rain tires don't grow on trees." coffincorner.proboards.com/thread/11275Helpful to have a donor kit to work with at least! And printing some wheels and tyres would be easy. Anyone on here got that AMT kit at all? It'd be interesting to see what's in the box that could be utilised |
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Post by hobbybobby on Sept 10, 2017 14:39:18 GMT -6
From an old thread on here: "Dec 10, 2009 7:38:24 GMT 1 scurvy said: Get an AMT Gurney Eagle kit - it's got all the engine, trans and suspension parts you'll need. It'll just be a matter of building the front section of the chassis, the little interior that the car had and that wild bodywork. Oh - the rolling stock may be a bit problematic - Those old Firestone Indy rain tires don't grow on trees." coffincorner.proboards.com/thread/11275Helpful to have a donor kit to work with at least! And printing some wheels and tyres would be easy. Anyone on here got that AMT kit at all? It'd be interesting to see what's in the box that could be utilised Jim, this was my old thread, i wanted to build this thing for a long time... I thought of from the beginning, for the engine and suspension parts, to this one:  That kit featured a viable suspension and two different engine options. Both are Fords. One has Westlake heads and a standard position intake manifold and exhaust. The other is a dual overhead cam engine where the intakes are between the cams on the head with the exhaust coming out the center of the engine, in fact, exactly what we need...  So far so good, until I opened the box and I looked at the small, very delicate parts...  The scale is 1/25, but somehow too small for an attempt to cobble it to one Roach Coach... This is just my opinion. |
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Post by ZZZLAD on Sept 10, 2017 16:06:58 GMT -6
From an old thread on here: "Dec 10, 2009 7:38:24 GMT 1 scurvy said: Get an AMT Gurney Eagle kit - it's got all the engine, trans and suspension parts you'll need. It'll just be a matter of building the front section of the chassis, the little interior that the car had and that wild bodywork. Oh - the rolling stock may be a bit problematic - Those old Firestone Indy rain tires don't grow on trees." coffincorner.proboards.com/thread/11275Helpful to have a donor kit to work with at least! And printing some wheels and tyres would be easy. Anyone on here got that AMT kit at all? It'd be interesting to see what's in the box that could be utilised Jim, this was my old thread, i wanted to build this thing for a long time... I thought of from the beginning, for the engine and suspension parts, to this one:  That kit featured a viable suspension and two different engine options. Both are Fords. One has Westlake heads and a standard position intake manifold and exhaust. The other is a dual overhead cam engine where the intakes are between the cams on the head with the exhaust coming out the center of the engine, in fact, exactly what we need...  So far so good, until I opened the box and I looked at the small, very delicate parts... The scale is 1/25, but somehow too small for an attempt to cobble it to one Roach Coach... This is just my opinion. Bobby, I agree with your choice for the donation kit, but I disagree 100% with your statement regarding the scale,Almost ALL of the show rods & show cars to date have been 1/25.... and that has worked just fine..  ... if this would have been offered as another Roth kit, (designed by Ed Newton ) ...... then it would have been done by Revell; they of course would have chosen 1/25; as all the other kits of theirs were. So, it makes good sense to keep this as 1/25 just as the other intricate kits have been; especially seeing as the Gurney kit provides the bulk of what's needed to complete it & that's fairly easy to obtain,it was re-issued a few years ago. I picked two up last year at a swap meet for $12 each; I've seen them pop up on ebay from time to time in the $15-30 range. |
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 10, 2017 17:23:33 GMT -6
Yeah! I have also wanted to build this thing for a long time i have the rims and engine already and the scratch brass parts....
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Post by "ScratchFever" on Sept 10, 2017 17:48:12 GMT -6
But of course i have partscfir a 1:18scale version..
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Post by kabdriver on Sept 10, 2017 18:15:05 GMT -6
So far so good, until I opened the box and I looked at the small, very delicate parts... The scale is 1/25, but somehow too small for an attempt to cobble it to one Roach Coach... This is just my opinion. Given some of the AMAZING work I've seen you do in scale, Bobby, I bet you'd find a way to make it work! You can do it man! |
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Post by 41chevy on Sept 10, 2017 20:03:25 GMT -6
I've wanted this on my shelf for year and Wish Bone also!!
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Post by 3dscaleparts on Sept 12, 2017 12:11:01 GMT -6
Wish Bone is the VW powerplant right? If thats the one you are referring to I really dig that one. Nice call!
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Post by 41chevy on Sept 12, 2017 13:40:01 GMT -6
Wish Bone is the VW powerplant right? If thats the one you are referring to I really dig that one. Nice call! Yup! Roth hated it and cut it in half. Dirty Doug restored it. I recall somebody here starting to build one years ago. Paul  |
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Post by ZZZLAD on Sept 12, 2017 13:45:48 GMT -6
Wish Bone is the VW powerplant right? If thats the one you are referring to I really dig that one. Nice call! I know that body was done in resin ( 1/25 ) - I've seen a bunch of them built, as well as being offered on a few sites & E-bay, ( around the same time the resin Druid Princess body was available ) ; I thought Fritz had them on his site as well |
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... if this would have been offered as another Roth kit, (designed by Ed Newton ) ...... then it would have been done by Revell; they of course would have chosen 1/25; as all the other kits of theirs were. So, it makes good sense to keep this as 1/25 just as the other intricate kits have been; especially seeing as the Gurney kit provides the bulk of what's needed to complete it & that's fairly easy to obtain,it was re-issued a few years ago. I picked two up last year at a swap meet for $12 each; I've seen them pop up on ebay from time to time in the $15-30 range. 
